1 00:00:07,670 --> 00:00:04,970 hello it's Wednesday October 25th 2017 2 00:00:10,009 --> 00:00:07,680 you are listening to inception Radio 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:10,019 Network voice of the fringe majority 4 00:00:21,099 --> 00:00:17,130 this is Carol Carl hears earth sky for 5 00:00:25,849 --> 00:00:21,109 tonight they advise moon gazing tonight 6 00:00:28,670 --> 00:00:25,859 think of Pluto - Oh Pluto little dwarf 7 00:00:30,950 --> 00:00:28,680 planet demoted from full of planet hood 8 00:00:33,709 --> 00:00:30,960 perhaps at least for the time being 9 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:33,719 here's what Bruce McClure offers in the 10 00:00:38,900 --> 00:00:36,210 night sky for tonight tonight and 11 00:00:41,780 --> 00:00:38,910 tomorrow night as well the rather wide 12 00:00:44,540 --> 00:00:41,790 waxing crescent moon shines fairly close 13 00:00:47,510 --> 00:00:44,550 on the skies dome it's close to dwarf 14 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:47,520 planet Pluto both are in front of the 15 00:00:53,299 --> 00:00:49,850 constellations Sagittarius the Archer 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:53,309 just don't expect to see Pluto which is 17 00:00:59,180 --> 00:00:56,850 about 1,600 times fainter than the 18 00:01:02,180 --> 00:00:59,190 dimmest star visible to the eye on a 19 00:01:04,789 --> 00:01:02,190 dark moonless night in fact you probably 20 00:01:07,609 --> 00:01:04,799 would need at least a 14 inch or larger 21 00:01:10,580 --> 00:01:07,619 telescope and a sky chart as well to 22 00:01:13,100 --> 00:01:10,590 spot this distant world but you can take 23 00:01:16,580 --> 00:01:13,110 this opportunity to think about Pluto 24 00:01:19,070 --> 00:01:16,590 hmm the Pluto ponder Pluto's one of our 25 00:01:20,780 --> 00:01:19,080 solar system's most fascinating worlds 26 00:01:23,690 --> 00:01:20,790 here's the plan 27 00:01:26,090 --> 00:01:23,700 stand outside use the moon to get an 28 00:01:28,249 --> 00:01:26,100 idea of Pluto's place in front of the 29 00:01:30,980 --> 00:01:28,259 starry heavens some people are familiar 30 00:01:33,590 --> 00:01:30,990 with the famous teapot asterism That 31 00:01:37,010 --> 00:01:33,600 star pattern in the Western Sagittarius 32 00:01:39,469 --> 00:01:37,020 area Pluto is found to the northeast of 33 00:01:42,740 --> 00:01:39,479 the teapot at the moment fairly close to 34 00:01:46,910 --> 00:01:42,750 the 3rd magnitude star al Ball ha that 35 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:46,920 spelled al b al DHA also known as pi 36 00:01:52,399 --> 00:01:50,130 Sagittarii i and then think about blue 37 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:52,409 toes awesome history in terms of our 38 00:01:58,399 --> 00:01:54,770 human understanding of the cosmos in 39 00:02:01,340 --> 00:01:58,409 1930 astronomers hailed Pluto as a new 40 00:02:03,289 --> 00:02:01,350 planet in our solar system that was 41 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:03,299 before we knew the outer solar system 42 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:05,850 contains many small objects sometimes 43 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:09,090 called trans-neptunian objects of which 44 00:02:12,740 --> 00:02:11,250 several hundred are currently numbered 45 00:02:16,310 --> 00:02:12,750 and several thousand 46 00:02:18,980 --> 00:02:16,320 are known but remain unnumbered Pluto is 47 00:02:20,990 --> 00:02:18,990 the largest so far this increasing 48 00:02:24,230 --> 00:02:21,000 number of known objects in the outer 49 00:02:27,010 --> 00:02:24,240 solar system is one reason why in 2006 50 00:02:31,060 --> 00:02:27,020 the International Astronomical Union 51 00:02:33,740 --> 00:02:31,070 relegated Pluto to dwarf planet status 52 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:33,750 Pluto wasn't denied planetary status 53 00:02:39,830 --> 00:02:36,330 because it's not massive enough to be a 54 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:39,840 planet by the way Pluto in and of itself 55 00:02:46,570 --> 00:02:43,050 has sufficient mass to qualify rather 56 00:02:49,430 --> 00:02:46,580 Pluto was reclassified by that 57 00:02:51,979 --> 00:02:49,440 International Astronomical Union because 58 00:02:55,250 --> 00:02:51,989 this world doesn't have sufficient heft 59 00:02:59,750 --> 00:02:55,260 heft to quote clear the neighborhood 60 00:03:01,850 --> 00:02:59,760 around its orbit end quotes this great 61 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:01,860 article also includes a link to a 62 00:03:08,180 --> 00:03:04,170 fantastic black-and-white photograph of 63 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:08,190 a starry eyed Clyde w Tom bow at his 64 00:03:14,270 --> 00:03:10,770 family's farm with that homemade 65 00:03:18,190 --> 00:03:14,280 telescope the shot was taken in 1928 two 66 00:03:22,039 --> 00:03:18,200 years before he discovered Pluto in 1930 67 00:03:26,630 --> 00:03:22,049 here's just a little bit about Clyde W 68 00:03:29,150 --> 00:03:26,640 Tom bow and yep there are UFOs involved 69 00:03:32,930 --> 00:03:29,160 this is an article from UFO sightings 70 00:03:35,660 --> 00:03:32,940 daily.com a headline let's celebrate 71 00:03:40,100 --> 00:03:35,670 Clyde Tombaugh who discovered Pluto and 72 00:03:45,890 --> 00:03:40,110 saw six UFOs over Las Cruces New Mexico 73 00:03:49,430 --> 00:03:45,900 on August 20th 1949 Clyde William Tom 74 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:49,440 Bow born February 4th nineteen six he 75 00:03:57,470 --> 00:03:53,970 died January 17 1997 he was an American 76 00:04:00,020 --> 00:03:57,480 astronomer and that object Pluto his 77 00:04:01,940 --> 00:04:00,030 discovery in 1930 that was the first 78 00:04:04,940 --> 00:04:01,950 object to be discovered in what would 79 00:04:07,460 --> 00:04:04,950 later be called the Kuiper belt his 80 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:07,470 ashes are now in space aboard that 81 00:04:13,699 --> 00:04:11,130 spacecraft so here's a bit a tidbit of 82 00:04:15,949 --> 00:04:13,709 news about Clyde something that the 83 00:04:19,580 --> 00:04:15,959 author of this article says we won't see 84 00:04:23,510 --> 00:04:19,590 in the news it's his UFO sighting here's 85 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:23,520 what Scott C wearing writes clyde w tom 86 00:04:26,629 --> 00:04:25,250 bow was probably the preeminent 87 00:04:29,300 --> 00:04:26,639 astronomer to 88 00:04:34,100 --> 00:04:29,310 have reported seeing unidentified flying 89 00:04:36,939 --> 00:04:34,110 objects on August 20th 1949 Tom bow saw 90 00:04:40,239 --> 00:04:36,949 several UFOs near Los Cruces New Mexico 91 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:40,249 he described them as six to eight 92 00:04:46,850 --> 00:04:42,930 rectangular lights here's a statement 93 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:46,860 quote I doubt that the phenomena has any 94 00:04:52,670 --> 00:04:50,370 terrestrial reflection because nothing 95 00:04:55,519 --> 00:04:52,680 of the kind has ever appeared before or 96 00:04:56,959 --> 00:04:55,529 since I was so unprepared for such a 97 00:05:00,820 --> 00:04:56,969 strange sight that I was really 98 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:00,830 petrified with astonishment and quotes a 99 00:05:05,659 --> 00:05:02,849 similar shocked response has been 100 00:05:07,850 --> 00:05:05,669 reported many times by others who claim 101 00:05:10,999 --> 00:05:07,860 to have seen mysterious aerial objects 102 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:11,009 Tom bow was also later to report having 103 00:05:17,390 --> 00:05:14,090 seen three of the mysterious green 104 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:17,400 fireballs green fireballs which suddenly 105 00:05:23,089 --> 00:05:20,310 appeared over New Mexico in late 1948 106 00:05:27,649 --> 00:05:23,099 and continued at least through the early 107 00:05:30,709 --> 00:05:27,659 1950s in 1956 Tom bow had the following 108 00:05:33,679 --> 00:05:30,719 to say about his various sightings quote 109 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:33,689 I have seen three objects in the last 110 00:05:38,950 --> 00:05:36,330 seven years which defied any explanation 111 00:05:43,459 --> 00:05:38,960 of known phenomenon such as Venus 112 00:05:45,100 --> 00:05:43,469 atmospheric optic meteors or planes I'm 113 00:05:48,110 --> 00:05:45,110 a professional a highly skilled 114 00:05:50,329 --> 00:05:48,120 professional astronomer in addition I 115 00:05:53,179 --> 00:05:50,339 have seen three green fireballs which 116 00:05:55,429 --> 00:05:53,189 were unusual in behavior from normal 117 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:55,439 green fireballs I think that several 118 00:06:00,170 --> 00:05:57,210 reputable scientists are being 119 00:06:02,350 --> 00:06:00,180 unscientific in refusing to entertain 120 00:06:07,219 --> 00:06:02,360 the possibility of extraterrestrial 121 00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:07,229 origin and nature end quotes yep that's 122 00:06:15,019 --> 00:06:11,969 what cly w Tom Bow himself said in 1956 123 00:06:18,170 --> 00:06:15,029 mind you fast forward and back to 124 00:06:21,110 --> 00:06:18,180 tonight's sky watching in July of 2015 125 00:06:23,629 --> 00:06:21,120 the New Horizons spacecraft became the 126 00:06:27,589 --> 00:06:23,639 first earth craft to sweep past Pluto 127 00:06:30,679 --> 00:06:27,599 it's data required an earth year to be 128 00:06:32,629 --> 00:06:30,689 returned and scientists are still mining 129 00:06:35,719 --> 00:06:32,639 all that data learning new things about 130 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:35,729 Pluto images recently analyzed from the 131 00:06:39,540 --> 00:06:38,490 craft cameras revealed what appear to be 132 00:06:42,870 --> 00:06:39,550 small 133 00:06:45,990 --> 00:06:42,880 lying isolated clouds the first to be 134 00:06:47,610 --> 00:06:46,000 seen on the dwarf planet Alan Stern he's 135 00:06:50,999 --> 00:06:47,620 principal investigator for the New 136 00:06:53,790 --> 00:06:51,009 Horizons mission commented thusly quote 137 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:53,800 if there are clouds it would mean the 138 00:07:00,450 --> 00:06:56,770 weather on Pluto is even more complex 139 00:07:02,150 --> 00:07:00,460 than we imagined end quotes New Horizons 140 00:07:05,339 --> 00:07:02,160 is now headed for another 141 00:07:08,730 --> 00:07:05,349 trans-neptunian object by the way a cold 142 00:07:11,999 --> 00:07:08,740 classic Kuiper belt object called mu six 143 00:07:15,390 --> 00:07:12,009 nine it ought to get there in late 2018 144 00:07:18,570 --> 00:07:15,400 and here's a tidbit about Pluto's orbit 145 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:18,580 its orbit is highly inclined with 146 00:07:23,909 --> 00:07:20,770 respect to the ecliptic the path of the 147 00:07:27,719 --> 00:07:23,919 Sun Moon and major planets Pluto's orbit 148 00:07:29,969 --> 00:07:27,729 is also very eccentric it's oblong it 149 00:07:33,390 --> 00:07:29,979 carries this world from about 30 150 00:07:37,589 --> 00:07:33,400 astronomical units a use from the Sun at 151 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:37,599 perihelion to 50 a use from the Sun at 152 00:07:44,010 --> 00:07:41,530 aphelion surprisingly perhaps Pluto was 153 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:44,020 actually closer to the Sun than was the 154 00:07:51,810 --> 00:07:47,610 planet Neptune from the years 1979 to 155 00:07:54,540 --> 00:07:51,820 1999 earth sky dot-org supplies a bunch 156 00:07:56,700 --> 00:07:54,550 of technical information here you can 157 00:07:59,999 --> 00:07:56,710 find it later if you want to at UFO 158 00:08:04,379 --> 00:08:00,009 headline news calm pluto by the way is 159 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:04,389 locked into a 2.3 orbital resonance with 160 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:08,050 Neptune so here comes the bottom line on 161 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:13,330 October 25th and October 26th 2017 the 162 00:08:19,620 --> 00:08:16,330 waxing crescent moon shines in the same 163 00:08:23,430 --> 00:08:19,630 part of the sky as tiny fascinating 164 00:08:26,279 --> 00:08:23,440 Pluto we have a fascinating story to 165 00:08:29,070 --> 00:08:26,289 pick up again the threads we left off 166 00:08:32,250 --> 00:08:29,080 last week will weave into this week the 167 00:08:35,699 --> 00:08:32,260 Linda Cortile abduction case the 168 00:08:38,940 --> 00:08:35,709 Manhattan abduction case so to get us to 169 00:08:43,319 --> 00:08:38,950 the state of mind and a New York state 170 00:08:46,079 --> 00:08:43,329 of UFO mind let's go to Bainbridge New 171 00:08:48,930 --> 00:08:46,089 York it's an older sighting the date of 172 00:08:52,079 --> 00:08:48,940 this sighting is 2005 the date is 173 00:08:53,610 --> 00:08:52,089 October 9th our witness for some reason 174 00:08:58,230 --> 00:08:53,620 didn't report it till twin 175 00:09:00,390 --> 00:08:58,240 d-17 on the same date October 9th MUFON 176 00:09:04,070 --> 00:09:00,400 has issued a case number it's eight 177 00:09:07,140 --> 00:09:04,080 seven two three eight here's the summary 178 00:09:10,140 --> 00:09:07,150 glowing silver shape comes straight 179 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:10,150 towards us very slowly then straight 180 00:09:16,470 --> 00:09:13,930 back very quickly under the categories 181 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:16,480 that include citing specifics we find a 182 00:09:23,030 --> 00:09:19,810 listed viewing distance of 101 to 500 183 00:09:26,220 --> 00:09:23,040 feet the altitude was 500 feet or less 184 00:09:29,130 --> 00:09:26,230 sighting duration three minutes object 185 00:09:32,220 --> 00:09:29,140 features none object flight path other 186 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:32,230 and the object shape is also described 187 00:09:37,740 --> 00:09:34,930 as other someone involved with this 188 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:37,750 report sleuth down the weather archives 189 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:41,529 the maximum temperature in 2005 over 190 00:09:46,380 --> 00:09:43,450 Bainbridge New York at the time of this 191 00:09:48,990 --> 00:09:46,390 event was maximum temperature of 51 192 00:09:51,810 --> 00:09:49,000 degrees Fahrenheit 11 degrees Celsius 193 00:09:55,590 --> 00:09:51,820 dropping down to a minimum of 43 degrees 194 00:09:58,230 --> 00:09:55,600 Fahrenheit six degrees Celsius maximum 195 00:10:01,110 --> 00:09:58,240 visibility six miles ten kilometers and 196 00:10:04,949 --> 00:10:01,120 the conditions indicate it was foggy and 197 00:10:08,070 --> 00:10:04,959 raining here is this remembered account 198 00:10:10,410 --> 00:10:08,080 I was with a friend and we had just 199 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:10,420 gotten home from her family reunion that 200 00:10:15,690 --> 00:10:12,970 was about 11 p.m. so it was quite dark 201 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:15,700 out her dad walked inside ahead of us 202 00:10:22,260 --> 00:10:18,970 and both of us then stopped and looked 203 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:22,270 up I don't know why we did that because 204 00:10:27,990 --> 00:10:24,610 we didn't hear or see anything to make 205 00:10:31,140 --> 00:10:28,000 us turn around and look up above her 206 00:10:35,030 --> 00:10:31,150 barn was this bright light like a sliver 207 00:10:38,519 --> 00:10:35,040 in the sky I had no idea what it was as 208 00:10:42,269 --> 00:10:38,529 we stared at it it slowly very slowly 209 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:42,279 got bigger and bigger it was hard to 210 00:10:46,650 --> 00:10:44,050 tell how far away this was in 211 00:10:50,340 --> 00:10:46,660 correlation to its size because it 212 00:10:53,070 --> 00:10:50,350 glowed in the strangest way it didn't 213 00:10:55,980 --> 00:10:53,080 blink nor did it have lights that I 214 00:10:59,010 --> 00:10:55,990 could see more like it was just made of 215 00:11:01,949 --> 00:10:59,020 light the shape was like a smooshed 216 00:11:04,860 --> 00:11:01,959 football kind of like if it were 217 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:04,870 horizontal in the thinner it seemed to 218 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:07,250 me that it was right in front of 219 00:11:13,030 --> 00:11:09,770 right above us it started out small 220 00:11:15,790 --> 00:11:13,040 above her barn then got very large as it 221 00:11:17,980 --> 00:11:15,800 traveled straight towards us and due to 222 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:17,990 its coming straight towards us like that 223 00:11:23,380 --> 00:11:20,930 it seemed that it grew in size it didn't 224 00:11:26,470 --> 00:11:23,390 grow in size perhaps it could have been 225 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:26,480 just the illusion at any rate it hovered 226 00:11:31,210 --> 00:11:28,370 in front of us for a little while and 227 00:11:33,670 --> 00:11:31,220 after a minute or so this thing zoomed 228 00:11:36,370 --> 00:11:33,680 straight backwards so far that it 229 00:11:37,090 --> 00:11:36,380 disappeared it was just too small to see 230 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:37,100 anymore 231 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:39,890 it was as if this thing zoomed back and 232 00:11:44,860 --> 00:11:42,290 blinked out of existence 233 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:44,870 the speed with which it went backwards 234 00:11:50,890 --> 00:11:47,810 and how far away it got so quickly was 235 00:11:53,110 --> 00:11:50,900 like nothing I've ever seen before while 236 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:53,120 I watched this scene I was awestruck I 237 00:11:59,620 --> 00:11:56,330 didn't feel anything at all I just 238 00:12:02,830 --> 00:11:59,630 watched this with no emotion I'm a very 239 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:02,840 scared and cautious person but I just 240 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:04,970 stood there and watch this with no 241 00:12:09,850 --> 00:12:07,450 feelings towards it whatsoever 242 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:09,860 once it disappeared my friend turned 243 00:12:15,970 --> 00:12:12,290 towards me and said did you see that I 244 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:15,980 replied oh thank God you saw it too we 245 00:12:20,260 --> 00:12:18,170 both preceded them to go inside and tell 246 00:12:22,620 --> 00:12:20,270 her father and he said oh you crazy 247 00:12:25,540 --> 00:12:22,630 girls you have quite the imaginations 248 00:12:29,470 --> 00:12:25,550 which made me angry because I needed 249 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:29,480 validation after such a sight well then 250 00:12:34,329 --> 00:12:31,610 we went upstairs to bed she just falls 251 00:12:37,390 --> 00:12:34,339 right asleep my friend before she even 252 00:12:39,310 --> 00:12:37,400 hits the pillow I was up all night I 253 00:12:42,430 --> 00:12:39,320 waited for the Sun to rise before I 254 00:12:45,100 --> 00:12:42,440 could even close my eyes I was scared to 255 00:12:47,730 --> 00:12:45,110 death to look out the windows but also I 256 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:47,740 was scared to not look out the windows 257 00:12:52,930 --> 00:12:50,570 it was a very nerve-wracking night for 258 00:12:57,460 --> 00:12:52,940 me plenty of hiding under the blankets I 259 00:13:00,070 --> 00:12:57,470 was just too scared to move yep just 260 00:13:02,590 --> 00:13:00,080 those crazy kids and those wild 261 00:13:06,010 --> 00:13:02,600 imaginations and this could explain why 262 00:13:09,340 --> 00:13:06,020 our witness held off on reporting for so 263 00:13:11,829 --> 00:13:09,350 long there did you feel that ripple 264 00:13:14,829 --> 00:13:11,839 around you that subtle shift in 265 00:13:17,230 --> 00:13:14,839 space-time a mild disruption in the 266 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:17,240 force field perhaps well it's way back 267 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:20,570 Wednesday part-and-parcel we're going to 268 00:13:23,939 --> 00:13:21,170 pick 269 00:13:28,079 --> 00:13:23,949 with part three of the Linda Cortile 270 00:13:29,759 --> 00:13:28,089 Manhattan abduction case in a nutshell 271 00:13:33,759 --> 00:13:29,769 November 30th 272 00:13:36,729 --> 00:13:33,769 1989 housewife and mother Linda Cortile 273 00:13:39,429 --> 00:13:36,739 later to call herself Linda Napolitano 274 00:13:43,479 --> 00:13:39,439 for reasons unknown to this broadcaster 275 00:13:46,689 --> 00:13:43,489 was abducted from her 12th storey 276 00:13:50,619 --> 00:13:46,699 Manhattan apartment bedroom window out 277 00:13:53,169 --> 00:13:50,629 into the night and up seen with a couple 278 00:13:56,769 --> 00:13:53,179 of extraterrestrials the classic gray 279 00:14:00,340 --> 00:13:56,779 shape on either side of her up and into 280 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:00,350 a departing spacecraft who the witnesses 281 00:14:06,369 --> 00:14:03,290 were makes the case extraordinary author 282 00:14:09,729 --> 00:14:06,379 and artist Budd Hopkins famous hypnotist 283 00:14:11,829 --> 00:14:09,739 and UFO researcher made this case very 284 00:14:14,979 --> 00:14:11,839 well known in fact he called it the 285 00:14:18,189 --> 00:14:14,989 Manhattan abduction case and it's an 286 00:14:21,099 --> 00:14:18,199 interesting read lots of elements in 287 00:14:23,189 --> 00:14:21,109 this lots of people crying hoaxes we 288 00:14:26,769 --> 00:14:23,199 take the story now in a slight 289 00:14:29,799 --> 00:14:26,779 divergence our excellent supplier of a 290 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:29,809 treasure trove of information our man in 291 00:14:35,049 --> 00:14:31,970 the high castle from his secure and 292 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:35,059 undisclosed location provided us with 293 00:14:41,169 --> 00:14:37,970 this information a possible link to 294 00:14:43,619 --> 00:14:41,179 President George Bush who better to 295 00:14:47,249 --> 00:14:43,629 provide presidential UFO information 296 00:14:52,109 --> 00:14:47,259 than Grant Cameron and his site called 297 00:14:54,819 --> 00:14:52,119 presidential UFO calm and he writes of 298 00:14:57,369 --> 00:14:54,829 all the presidents that have been faced 299 00:14:59,439 --> 00:14:57,379 with a UFO problem George Bush seemed on 300 00:15:01,780 --> 00:14:59,449 the surface to be the best qualified 301 00:15:04,329 --> 00:15:01,790 president to have been given the secret 302 00:15:06,850 --> 00:15:04,339 he spent a year as Director of Central 303 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:06,860 Intelligence the head of the entire 304 00:15:13,569 --> 00:15:09,169 United States intelligence community for 305 00:15:15,909 --> 00:15:13,579 President Ford then as DCI director of 306 00:15:17,710 --> 00:15:15,919 Central Intelligence he was in charge of 307 00:15:19,689 --> 00:15:17,720 giving intelligence briefings to Jimmy 308 00:15:23,379 --> 00:15:19,699 Carter during his transition to the 309 00:15:27,129 --> 00:15:23,389 presidency in 1976 who better to know 310 00:15:29,949 --> 00:15:27,139 the ultimate top secret about UFOs than 311 00:15:32,979 --> 00:15:29,959 the man the CIA named the headquarters 312 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:32,989 compound in Langley Virginia the George 313 00:15:37,939 --> 00:15:34,649 Bush Center for 314 00:15:41,299 --> 00:15:37,949 intelligence the CIA spoke glowingly of 315 00:15:43,579 --> 00:15:41,309 him quote CIA's relationship with Bush 316 00:15:45,559 --> 00:15:43,589 was undoubtedly the most productive it 317 00:15:48,290 --> 00:15:45,569 had enjoyed with any of the nine 318 00:15:51,530 --> 00:15:48,300 presidents it served since the agency's 319 00:15:53,139 --> 00:15:51,540 founding in 1947 President Bush was 320 00:15:57,379 --> 00:15:53,149 uniquely and extraordinarily 321 00:16:00,019 --> 00:15:57,389 well-informed end quotes the UFO 322 00:16:02,749 --> 00:16:00,029 incidents in the Bush presidency were 323 00:16:04,669 --> 00:16:02,759 few and far between this lack of 324 00:16:07,609 --> 00:16:04,679 disclosure may have gone back to George 325 00:16:10,639 --> 00:16:07,619 Bush's term as the head of the CIA for 326 00:16:12,739 --> 00:16:10,649 Gerald Ford Bush had learned the reasons 327 00:16:14,739 --> 00:16:12,749 for keeping secrets and remained 328 00:16:18,530 --> 00:16:14,749 tight-lipped about the UFO situation 329 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:18,540 while President part of the lack of UFO 330 00:16:22,460 --> 00:16:20,610 incidents was undoubtedly due to the 331 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:22,470 fact that President Bush only served one 332 00:16:28,549 --> 00:16:25,410 term in the White House the addition of 333 00:16:30,530 --> 00:16:28,559 Dan Quayle as vice president only added 334 00:16:33,319 --> 00:16:30,540 to the apparent weakness of the 335 00:16:35,949 --> 00:16:33,329 presidency rights Cameron apparently 336 00:16:39,410 --> 00:16:35,959 grant Cameron contacted the bush library 337 00:16:42,739 --> 00:16:39,420 for response on this they said only 338 00:16:45,499 --> 00:16:42,749 there was one UFO document in the entire 339 00:16:48,619 --> 00:16:45,509 presidential collection does this mean 340 00:16:51,259 --> 00:16:48,629 that the UFO phenomena went away during 341 00:16:53,809 --> 00:16:51,269 the Bush years or that Bush was able to 342 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:53,819 deflect all UFO paperwork to other 343 00:16:59,569 --> 00:16:56,730 agencies such as the Air Force NASA or 344 00:17:02,989 --> 00:16:59,579 highly classified black budget programs 345 00:17:05,809 --> 00:17:02,999 set up specifically to deal with the UFO 346 00:17:07,340 --> 00:17:05,819 situation away from those probing eyes 347 00:17:10,039 --> 00:17:07,350 of the public 348 00:17:13,069 --> 00:17:10,049 and now here grant Cameron weaves back 349 00:17:15,279 --> 00:17:13,079 into our narrative regarding Linda 350 00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:15,289 Cortile and now calling her Linda 351 00:17:21,590 --> 00:17:18,959 Napolitano perhaps one of the strangest 352 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:21,600 presidential UFO stories comes from 353 00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:23,970 circumstances surrounding and abduction 354 00:17:29,139 --> 00:17:26,000 of a lady by the name of Linda 355 00:17:33,019 --> 00:17:29,149 Napolitano that occurred in November of 356 00:17:37,070 --> 00:17:33,029 1989 and disclosures made about that 357 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:37,080 case by dr. Steven Greer in order to 358 00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:39,210 understand the story one must review 359 00:17:45,019 --> 00:17:41,760 what dr. Greer's worldview regarding 360 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:45,029 extraterrestrial visitations is and with 361 00:17:50,659 --> 00:17:48,570 The Associated abduction phenomena 362 00:17:53,299 --> 00:17:50,669 career has made it quite clear he does 363 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:53,309 not agree with the interpretation of the 364 00:17:59,060 --> 00:17:56,250 abduction phenomena as it is written up 365 00:18:01,279 --> 00:17:59,070 by a number of researchers researchers 366 00:18:04,190 --> 00:18:01,289 who have studied that very phenomena 367 00:18:07,940 --> 00:18:04,200 this view expressed by ufologists such 368 00:18:11,149 --> 00:18:07,950 as Budd Hopkins contends that aliens are 369 00:18:14,870 --> 00:18:11,159 abducting humans as part of some sort of 370 00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:14,880 genetic program dr. Steven Greer on the 371 00:18:18,799 --> 00:18:17,039 other hand believes that a renegade 372 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:18,809 quote black-budget 373 00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:21,690 and quotes group can explain almost all 374 00:18:27,769 --> 00:18:25,679 of these quote abductions end quotes dr. 375 00:18:30,649 --> 00:18:27,779 Greer alleges this is done using 376 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:30,659 deceptive psychological warfare on the 377 00:18:36,289 --> 00:18:33,450 American people he maintains that the 378 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:36,299 group doing this possesses the developed 379 00:18:42,350 --> 00:18:38,570 technology to make members of the public 380 00:18:44,749 --> 00:18:42,360 believe that evil aliens have abducted 381 00:18:47,690 --> 00:18:44,759 them or that they have talked to God for 382 00:18:51,399 --> 00:18:47,700 instance or anything else they choose to 383 00:18:54,470 --> 00:18:51,409 have them believe he said quote we have 384 00:18:56,779 --> 00:18:54,480 advanced black-budget covert projects 385 00:19:00,129 --> 00:18:56,789 that operate outside of any 386 00:19:02,139 --> 00:19:00,139 constitutional oversight that have taken 387 00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:02,149 extraterrestrial materials and 388 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:05,070 biological matter and created scenarios 389 00:19:11,090 --> 00:19:08,250 using those to make it look like they 390 00:19:14,299 --> 00:19:11,100 are extraterrestrial events that are 391 00:19:17,779 --> 00:19:14,309 going on which in fact they are not they 392 00:19:20,419 --> 00:19:17,789 are 100 percent human in origin for 393 00:19:23,690 --> 00:19:20,429 example the greys that I know that exist 394 00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:23,700 or artificial biological life-forms that 395 00:19:29,869 --> 00:19:27,120 are made out of a facility in New Mexico 396 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:29,879 a facility named Dulce which is 397 00:19:37,070 --> 00:19:33,570 connected underground to Los Alamos and 398 00:19:39,289 --> 00:19:37,080 quotes again that's grant Cameron 399 00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:39,299 quoting the words of dr. Steven Greer 400 00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:43,200 who ends with this quote there is an 401 00:19:50,029 --> 00:19:46,320 attempt in my opinion to export this 402 00:19:52,850 --> 00:19:50,039 perceived threat military spending in 403 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:52,860 the world just hit a trillion dollars to 404 00:19:59,930 --> 00:19:55,769 grow it in the next millennia you've got 405 00:20:02,580 --> 00:19:59,940 to have an enemy off planet instead of 406 00:20:04,890 --> 00:20:02,590 an evil empire being the Soviet Union 407 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:04,900 there has been an attempt to gradually 408 00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:07,210 indoctrinate and conditioned people to 409 00:20:12,779 --> 00:20:10,320 be afraid of and to hate everything 410 00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:12,789 extraterrestrial so that there could be 411 00:20:22,110 --> 00:20:18,880 a military justification end quotes now 412 00:20:23,970 --> 00:20:22,120 here's grant Cameron again the power to 413 00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:23,980 abduct is according to Greer the 414 00:20:29,730 --> 00:20:27,039 ultimate trump card to hold the 415 00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:29,740 president or anyone else in power from 416 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:33,039 revealing the UFO secret here's what 417 00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:36,370 Steven Greer said to the legendary radio 418 00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:39,520 hero art bell quote it can be made very 419 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:42,370 clear to them that if they don't the 420 00:20:49,139 --> 00:20:45,370 public play along the trump card can be 421 00:20:51,090 --> 00:20:49,149 played end quotes a quick aside gentlest 422 00:20:53,639 --> 00:20:51,100 neurs this article was written previous 423 00:20:57,049 --> 00:20:53,649 to the current administration the word 424 00:21:00,200 --> 00:20:57,059 trump is the original usage of that word 425 00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:00,210 here is grant Cameron's nutshell 426 00:21:04,049 --> 00:21:03,039 observation regarding the incident in 427 00:21:07,220 --> 00:21:04,059 New York City 428 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:07,230 Linda Napolitano quartile and 429 00:21:14,159 --> 00:21:11,010 peripherally her son on November 30th 430 00:21:17,279 --> 00:21:14,169 1989 an incident occurred in New York 431 00:21:20,490 --> 00:21:17,289 City involving Linda Napolitano and her 432 00:21:22,380 --> 00:21:20,500 son she recalled being abducted from her 433 00:21:24,299 --> 00:21:22,390 12th floor apartment building on the 434 00:21:28,019 --> 00:21:24,309 Lower East Side of Manhattan in New York 435 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:28,029 City Budd Hopkins a New York City UFO 436 00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:30,010 researcher who had worked with hundreds 437 00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:32,880 of abductees investigated the case 438 00:21:38,130 --> 00:21:35,919 during the course of that investigation 439 00:21:41,010 --> 00:21:38,140 Hopkins learned that Linda had received 440 00:21:43,950 --> 00:21:41,020 correspondence from a man who claimed to 441 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:43,960 have witnessed the abduction the man 442 00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:45,970 claimed his car had stalled two blocks 443 00:21:51,930 --> 00:21:49,120 away and that he and two men with him 444 00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:51,940 had witnessed the whole event about 3:30 445 00:21:57,930 --> 00:21:54,880 in the morning this man who wrote Linda 446 00:21:59,940 --> 00:21:57,940 and Hopkins about the event turned out 447 00:22:02,789 --> 00:21:59,950 to be the United Nations 448 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:02,799 secretary-general Javier Perez de 449 00:22:07,649 --> 00:22:05,890 Cuellar era's de Cuellar was in New York 450 00:22:10,380 --> 00:22:07,659 City at the time traveling from a 451 00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:10,390 heliport into the city with his two 452 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:13,809 Secret Service men gentle listeners we 453 00:22:20,580 --> 00:22:16,570 know these Secret Service men already 454 00:22:23,249 --> 00:22:20,590 as Richard and Dan after further 455 00:22:26,419 --> 00:22:23,259 investigation Budd Hopkins determined 456 00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:26,429 that Perez de Cuellar was not a witness 457 00:22:33,659 --> 00:22:30,720 but he had himself been abducted as well 458 00:22:35,820 --> 00:22:33,669 this fact was later confirmed by Linda's 459 00:22:39,299 --> 00:22:35,830 son who identified the secretary-general 460 00:22:42,389 --> 00:22:39,309 from 20 photographs of men shown to him 461 00:22:45,419 --> 00:22:42,399 by Budd Hopkins as the man who was with 462 00:22:48,659 --> 00:22:45,429 him and comforted him during the 463 00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:48,669 abduction but Hopkins contacted Perez de 464 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:51,039 Cuellar in person about the letters he 465 00:22:58,350 --> 00:22:54,250 sent to Linda and himself and de Cuellar 466 00:23:00,869 --> 00:22:58,360 did not deny his involvement at the time 467 00:23:02,940 --> 00:23:00,879 Hopkins declined to name Perez de 468 00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:02,950 Cuellar in his book the book that 469 00:23:07,919 --> 00:23:05,110 detailed the abduction entitled 470 00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:07,929 witnessed the true story of the Brooklyn 471 00:23:13,889 --> 00:23:10,960 Bridge UFO abductions he said quote I 472 00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:13,899 feel a great deal of pity for him end 473 00:23:18,509 --> 00:23:14,320 quotes 474 00:23:21,529 --> 00:23:18,519 later in 1996 under pressure from the 475 00:23:24,539 --> 00:23:21,539 Nova television show to make it public 476 00:23:28,610 --> 00:23:24,549 Javier Perez de Cuellar then a private 477 00:23:32,159 --> 00:23:28,620 citizen denied that he had been abducted 478 00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:32,169 the next part of the story is provided 479 00:23:37,860 --> 00:23:34,809 again by dr. Steven Greer who himself 480 00:23:41,100 --> 00:23:37,870 has briefed United Nations Secretary 481 00:23:44,519 --> 00:23:41,110 General's about the UFO extraterrestrial 482 00:23:47,639 --> 00:23:44,529 intelligence situation Grier however 483 00:23:49,710 --> 00:23:47,649 fully believed that the incident with 484 00:23:53,310 --> 00:23:49,720 the secretary-general was not an 485 00:23:57,180 --> 00:23:53,320 abduction but a quote covert kidnapping 486 00:23:58,830 --> 00:23:57,190 and quote of the secretary-general beer 487 00:24:01,049 --> 00:23:58,840 received his account of the incident 488 00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:01,059 from a head of state who was involved 489 00:24:06,570 --> 00:24:04,000 with Perez de Cuellar at the time this 490 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:06,580 official described to Greer what had 491 00:24:12,419 --> 00:24:10,210 happened using these words quote he was 492 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:12,429 working with a number of other world 493 00:24:18,659 --> 00:24:15,490 leaders to come out with exactly what si 494 00:24:22,049 --> 00:24:18,669 said he is attempting to do now and he 495 00:24:24,029 --> 00:24:22,059 was made to disappear as it were in a 496 00:24:26,909 --> 00:24:24,039 faked or a hoax 497 00:24:29,250 --> 00:24:26,919 abduction attempt then he was told on 498 00:24:29,860 --> 00:24:29,260 board the craft that he should cease and 499 00:24:31,270 --> 00:24:29,870 desist from 500 00:24:34,690 --> 00:24:31,280 any further attempt to bring this 501 00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:34,700 information out if he and other leaders 502 00:24:40,350 --> 00:24:37,809 didn't all of them would be abducted 503 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:40,360 Budd Hopkins thinks it was an abduction 504 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:46,250 it was not an abduction and quotes and 505 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:48,050 an article dr. Steven Greer wrote 506 00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:49,970 detailing his view of the abduction 507 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:52,880 phenomena again he spoke of the de 508 00:24:57,970 --> 00:24:55,250 Cuellar abduction without mentioning 509 00:25:00,640 --> 00:24:57,980 Perez de Cuellar name specifically in 510 00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:00,650 the article he added that the event had 511 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:03,470 so panicked the Bush White House that 512 00:25:10,090 --> 00:25:07,010 the disclosure plans for the UFO secret 513 00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:10,100 well those plans were immediately called 514 00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:13,190 off here's what dr. Steven Greer wrote 515 00:25:21,070 --> 00:25:18,320 of that quote specifically in the alien 516 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:21,080 abduction of a certain past major world 517 00:25:27,490 --> 00:25:24,890 leader this was an orchestrated event by 518 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:27,500 covert forces attempting to end a 519 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:30,050 planned disclosure on this subject by 520 00:25:36,570 --> 00:25:33,170 this leader the United States president 521 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:36,580 the head of the USSR and others a 522 00:25:42,190 --> 00:25:38,809 first-hand witness who is friends with 523 00:25:44,650 --> 00:25:42,200 this world leader and is himself a head 524 00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:44,660 of state has related the details of this 525 00:25:50,260 --> 00:25:47,510 abduction to me personally it was an 526 00:25:52,690 --> 00:25:50,270 effective if horrible attempt to 527 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:52,700 frighten these world leaders into ending 528 00:25:57,340 --> 00:25:54,770 their plans to disclose the UFO 529 00:26:00,520 --> 00:25:57,350 information to the world at the end of 530 00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,530 the Cold War both this world leader and 531 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:03,200 the head of state and friend who related 532 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:05,570 this to me did not know that this event 533 00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:08,570 was done by covert human forces they 534 00:26:15,070 --> 00:26:11,480 themselves thought this to be an actual 535 00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:15,080 alien abduction and the message offered 536 00:26:21,340 --> 00:26:17,510 to this world leader by these hoaxed 537 00:26:23,860 --> 00:26:21,350 aliens quote cease your plans to 538 00:26:26,130 --> 00:26:23,870 disclose our presence to the world or we 539 00:26:30,490 --> 00:26:26,140 can and will abduct every world leader 540 00:26:33,610 --> 00:26:30,500 involved end quotes how convenient this 541 00:26:35,620 --> 00:26:33,620 I am told blew up quote like an atomic 542 00:26:38,740 --> 00:26:35,630 bomb in the White House and quotes and 543 00:26:42,220 --> 00:26:38,750 all plans to effect a disclosure on the 544 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:42,230 subject were ended forthwith and forever 545 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:43,930 end quotes 546 00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:47,330 now grant Cameron goes into the other 547 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:50,840 side the rest of the story perhaps 548 00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:52,730 looking at it from a different 549 00:26:59,200 --> 00:26:55,760 perspective after look at all the sides 550 00:27:01,780 --> 00:26:59,210 he writes in checking the Greer version 551 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:01,790 of the de cuéllar abduction a series of 552 00:27:07,270 --> 00:27:04,730 events were uncovered that indicated 553 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:07,280 that the Greer story no matter how 554 00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:09,890 bizarre it seems at first glance might 555 00:27:16,060 --> 00:27:13,310 actually be true had there been a 556 00:27:17,980 --> 00:27:16,070 worldwide plan to release the UFO secret 557 00:27:20,590 --> 00:27:17,990 following the collapse of the Soviet 558 00:27:24,550 --> 00:27:20,600 Union and the Cold War was there an 559 00:27:27,070 --> 00:27:24,560 effort by someone to stop it so grant 560 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:27,080 Cameron asks us to consider the 561 00:27:33,310 --> 00:27:31,130 following point one on the day of the de 562 00:27:36,460 --> 00:27:33,320 cuéllar abduction George Bush left 563 00:27:40,810 --> 00:27:36,470 Washington for Malta and the first post 564 00:27:43,210 --> 00:27:40,820 Cold War Summit point to the evening of 565 00:27:46,300 --> 00:27:43,220 the abduction only three hours before 566 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:46,310 Linda Cortile Linda Napolitano's 3:00 567 00:27:51,940 --> 00:27:49,010 a.m. abduction Canadian Prime Minister 568 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:51,950 Brian Mulroney was meeting privately 569 00:27:56,770 --> 00:27:54,530 with George Bush at the White House 570 00:27:59,080 --> 00:27:56,780 it seems Brian Mulroney had just 571 00:28:01,780 --> 00:27:59,090 returned from the Soviet Union and a 572 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:01,790 meeting with Gorbachev his purpose in 573 00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:04,850 meeting with Bush was to brief him about 574 00:28:12,430 --> 00:28:09,740 his meeting with Gorbachev 0.3 rumors 575 00:28:14,770 --> 00:28:12,440 have Brian Mulroney in New York City 576 00:28:18,190 --> 00:28:14,780 following his visit with George Bush 577 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:18,200 there were apparently five cars in that 578 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:21,290 de cuéllar motorcade and there is at 579 00:28:26,290 --> 00:28:24,530 least one rumor that has Mulroney in 580 00:28:29,290 --> 00:28:26,300 that motorcade 581 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:29,300 but Hopkins stated when asked he had 582 00:28:34,170 --> 00:28:31,010 never heard about the Canadian Prime 583 00:28:37,870 --> 00:28:34,180 Minister being in the motorcade and 584 00:28:40,780 --> 00:28:37,880 point four there is information that the 585 00:28:44,530 --> 00:28:40,790 de cuéllar motorcade was heading for a 586 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:44,540 heliport at Governors Island this island 587 00:28:49,090 --> 00:28:46,610 on the southernmost part of Manhattan is 588 00:28:52,270 --> 00:28:49,100 a United States Coast Guard authorized 589 00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:52,280 personnel only complex the secure 590 00:28:57,220 --> 00:28:54,710 complex was the site of the summit 591 00:28:59,860 --> 00:28:57,230 meeting held the year before with 592 00:29:02,950 --> 00:28:59,870 President Reagan and Gorbachev along 593 00:29:06,250 --> 00:29:02,960 with president-elect Bush in attendance 594 00:29:08,169 --> 00:29:06,260 a very many layered story we've only 595 00:29:09,730 --> 00:29:08,179 gotten through some of them next week 596 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:09,740 we'll talk about either an uncanny 597 00:29:15,970 --> 00:29:13,010 coincidence or fiction that preceded 598 00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:15,980 this event and let you gentle listeners 599 00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:18,710 decide for now we got a roll because 600 00:29:24,130 --> 00:29:21,710 that's a wrap thank you for listening to 601 00:29:27,010 --> 00:29:24,140 inception radio network follow this 602 00:29:29,890 --> 00:29:27,020 broadcast at UFO headline news dot-com 603 00:29:32,380 --> 00:29:29,900 take care of each other we're all in